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Post by Coriana on Mar 23, 2013 21:33:33 GMT
Since we're all such fans of reading, I thought this would be a good topic. What is your opinion of the ebook phenomenon?
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Post by Marty on Mar 23, 2013 22:09:27 GMT
Funnily enough, I've just got a tablet for my birthday - for the main purpose of reading ebooks (it's an early present admittedly). I've been a bit lukewarm so far towards ebooks to be honest - I prefer the feel of paper between my fingers. I also tend to read when I'm in the bath and if I drop the book in it at least I won't electrocute myself! Or ruin an expensive toy. On the other hand, they're a space saver when it comes to the bookshelves!
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Post by Coriana on Mar 23, 2013 22:23:49 GMT
You've already hit one of my reasons my Nook won't ever replace a real book!
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Post by Pex on Mar 23, 2013 23:42:11 GMT
I still don't have any of e-readers or tablets, though, I've been considering them for a while, for most obvious reasons: - space saving in the house - space saving in the luggage - and probably the most important, price of e-books compared to real books - and I should also add that e-books are much easier to purchase, no need to go from shop to shop, they don't get sold out, they don't get lost in postage
Reasons against: - like you I prefer feeling of the real book - if your e-reader breaks what happens? you definitely lose everything temporarily , but is it stored anywhere what you have? I know with iPad you still keep your stuff on iCloud or iLibrary or something. - you need to remember to charge the batteries and on 9+h long flight from Australia to pretty much anywhere, this can be a problem
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Post by The Siren on Mar 24, 2013 16:03:57 GMT
ebooks usually allow you to back up everything to a pc or external memory and ebook shops like Amazon's Kindle allow you to re-download anytime you want. One plus for ebooks is you can normally download the first few chapters to sample so your not wasting your money if your not sure on a book and websites like Project Gutenberg allow you to download classics and amateur literature for free. The negative is for some reason proper ebook shops charge almost the same for the digital version of the real book which annoys me as there is no manufacturing cost to a digital version. Martin hasn't really used his tablet yet and ok he has a point about the reading in the bath and the feel of a book, but it will come in handy if and when we next have a trip or holiday. Another plus that I can see is the option for multiple bookmarks for people like Martin who usually have several books on the go at once and the option to read at night when the lights are out as Martin has trouble sleeping so being able to read in a darkened room will be useful.
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Post by Billy on Mar 25, 2013 9:18:37 GMT
You have a lot of good points there Siren and I understand your reasoning behind every one, but I so want to cry at the way technology is just taking over everything. I LOVE books! I love the space they take up in the house and I love getting new bookcases and filling them up. I love looking at and through my books and of course I love reading them. Martin if I were to read in the bath, I'd get out freezing and all crinkly because when I do read I tend to read for hours on end. Pex and I have talked about it and we agree that ebooks are handy for flights and stuff like that, but it really distresses me that people don't seem to care about real books anymore. We no longer have any bookshops in our local shopping centre and it is a big shopping centre not just a small one. We have to go to the City (Sydney) or further south in order to look in a bookshop now. To me books are like toys. Books and stationary. When I buy them I flick through them and sit them all around me so I can overview them. Yes I know it's very geeky, but what can I say? My all time dream was to own a bookshop. I can see things going the way of medieval times where those who have 'a library' are considered wealthy and different because from what I can see, people just aren't buying books much anymore
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Post by Pex on Mar 25, 2013 9:21:42 GMT
ebooks usually allow you to back up everything to a pc or external memory and ebook shops like Amazon's Kindle allow you to re-download anytime you want. One plus for ebooks is you can normally download the first few chapters to sample so your not wasting your money if your not sure on a book and websites like Project Gutenberg allow you to download classics and amateur literature for free. The negative is for some reason proper ebook shops charge almost the same for the digital version of the real book which annoys me as there is no manufacturing cost to a digital version. I wonder if that means that real books in UK are really cheap, since here e-books here are at least $10 cheaper, very often half the price of real book. For example, I recently bought book 11 of Wheel of Time for Billy and paid $24, while on Amazon's Kindle it was $13.
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Post by Coriana on Mar 26, 2013 0:26:02 GMT
In the States, paperbacks are $8. There are only a few series I feel I need to own the hardback version. I do also have a number of hardbacks from The Science Fiction Book Club, which generally run $9 to $16, depending on how new it is. Barnes and Noble want to charge me the same $8 as I'd pay for the paperback - and I really can't see how they can justify that cost. Real books require a large building with machines to print, cut, stack, bind, cover and pack books (which means raw materials like paper, ink, string, glue, backing materials whether hardcover or softcover, and cardboard and more ink and packing labels for the boxes). Don't forget computers to keep track of employees and production. Then they need semitrucks, drivers and diesel fuel to move the books to a store. That's more real estate. At the store, there are shelves and computers and people and advertising (posters on the wall and sale signs, etc) to pay for. Don't forget both types of buildings need electricity, water, heating/air conditioning and things like bathrooms and breakrooms and employee parking lots and janitors. They need an HR department to hire all the employees, managers to yell at people and tally up reports, an advertising sales force to plan their advertising compaigns and a budget for the advertising on tv, radio, internet and billboards (if they still bother). They also need some employee benefits and people to run those. Since it's a book publishing company, there are editors, proofreaders and copy setup individuals and possibly "talent scouts" so they can have new books to print. Throw in executives and executive secretaries, too. Then add in the programmers and systems design and support personnel, servers and possibly a mainframe, software programs to handle various parts of the functionality and also web access - and that's NOT for selling ebooks! It's just to have the internet presence required of any major company in this day and age. Discount the last set of things (programmers, etc). Remove the real estate and costs associated with it, the people, the raw resources, the trucking costs and some of the managers and HR department personnel. Now pay for some more programmers and servers, and sell ebooks instead. CHA-CHING!!!! Oh, and don't forget there are those pesking stockholders to pay, no matter what. Guess who's getting our money? Okay, so there would also be some increase in real estate and building costs for the place they keep their computers and programmers. I know programmers get paid better than print operators and sales clerks and truck drivers, but it's not enough to balance out. I think a server or a mainframe would cost about the same as a printing press. Those things are high-quality, or else you can't print thousands of books a day on them. Sheesh, I went on a bit, didn't I?
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Post by Marty on Mar 26, 2013 0:56:09 GMT
We're getting fleeced over here! $8 for a paperback Cori? Over here they're about £7-8 (so no Pex, not cheap). Given the rate of exchange that works out about US$11-13 off the top of my head. I don't have a clue what that is in Aussie dollars.
The point is that they seem to be milking the system. E-books cost less to produce than books. As The Siren said; the costs to produce are a lot less. And that sucks. And the extra profits sure won't be going to the writers...
When I was a teen I used to buy the Star Trek books - both TOS and TNG. They only used to cost £1.50ish (£2.50 for the bigger books). I could afford to buy loads of them, even at uni. Now I hardly buy any new books because they're too dear for me to take a chance on books/authors I'm not sure about. Even the ones I am sure about I'm loathe to pay out for. Money's just too tight and I have to choose carefully what I spend my "leisure" money on. Books are a low priority so I get most of mine from charity shops.
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Post by Billy on Mar 26, 2013 9:11:11 GMT
Well if 1BP is worth A$2 then you're still getting your books cheaper than we are. Books here cost at least $20 and that's for paperbacks. If you want hardcover then you need to be looking at at least $30, usually more. There's not a lot of things I want or need so I don't mind spending the spare money I get on books.
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Post by Pex on Mar 26, 2013 9:33:25 GMT
Australia is very expensive. For example, same box of Warhammer miniatures that costs AU$210 is US$120 in the States. And rate between Australian and US dollar is almost 1 to 1 (with AUD being slightly better atm)
On the other hand, on line stores like Amazon have to keep same prices no matter where they are selling. If I'm to buy a real book on Amazon, book will be cheap, but shipment costs will make it not worthy. But since e-books have no shipment costs, I get the same price as people in US which is much cheaper than real book in Australia.
But, I guess cost is not incentive for you guys.
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Post by Coriana on Mar 30, 2013 13:31:32 GMT
Last time I bought a paperback it was $8, but the Barnes and Noble in my area closed down over a year ago. The price could be going up again. I did go to a used book store and bought a few things. It's not very close to home, though, and I need a comprehensive list of books I'd like to get before I go again. It's hard to think of everything when you're actually in the store. I blame the rows and rows of books for blinding me with their possibilities!
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